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Identify& x% _6 N2 a9 n7 ^
柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
3 i5 k9 E. a( }( Y ♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
, d6 Q) y6 _, x% A- N+ h1 r; g1 [VERB] V n1 ~5 U/ P5 f7 [0 C
If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.
* c+ t. l& `" i1 ^6 _5 B- kThere are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic.... b, y. m. l) J" }
2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing5 D( C  n" T! Z, c! z
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
; @7 {( j+ y3 @7 z' APolice have already identified around 10 murder suspects...& H2 _1 x! W: G# [! `
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...% P: u; s8 @6 v, H2 v
= name
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0 r" v& _6 {* Z0 {If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
; n" j. [; t6 I9 @5 @Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...9 A* f1 a' `. w) P
= discover- K# x# v6 O; t) E; x$ g; R$ o! H/ M
4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n: y8 A  n; E% L6 ^4 C3 s4 r* ~) g
If a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
/ ^: m" e. {4 l; T2 PShe wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
' A3 D8 d* @% O1 G8 W, ZHis boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.
) H" O* A$ g  U  Y= distinguish
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! j' Z* l. Z7 u7 Y5 ^6 xIf you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.
; B6 o9 I0 z* J; C3 M% V) D' p( dShe would only play a role if she could identify with the character...
0 X6 V4 N1 v6 h! s7 W6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n3 s1 ~* M7 \! C4 a
If you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.4 A: Y# ]$ m( T6 {$ n$ a
She hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...8 Z6 ]' C$ J0 c
The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.
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' {+ ~' G' A8 a- y9 l& x' Q3 ]朗文当代英语词典
7 v( }- q7 c/ j9 K$ s2 ^2 A) Cidentify  ) W3 ]( e( X; K0 H/ h% J( C3 |
i·den·ti·fy
- V) d. a! v3 s1 r8 }8 AW1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]" \: r3 f4 P* ?6 q- B
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]4 s( v' ~" v) i
to recognize and correctly name someone or something
5 {8 y+ t: G# i( f4 q5 S" ]  g* H He was too far away to be able to identify faces./ J6 s! p3 c1 Q5 T+ i6 E+ y4 {" o+ t
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .7 V/ `5 i" B/ G
identify sb/sth as sb/sth
* a$ Z9 q8 X; f! \2 S7 n Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant." R& r# T3 L/ |" n  g0 t2 e
 The aircraft were identified as American.
4 K  f1 u0 d9 x8 f) J8 G+ Ito recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc2 k) s' {5 F8 F
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.4 A1 g$ e6 M+ x! ]& e% M. ~
 They identified a number of problem areas.
7 [( p; L  ]! L8 t" Xif a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
# Y+ a, u" N' j. m" F! t( Tidentify sb as sb( j3 G9 G% X5 a" w; W8 i
 His accent identified him as a Frenchman.; u1 r! O+ A* C& B0 j1 ?6 z5 t
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: C; m3 Y$ A  r3 O* a+ R identify with sb/sth
7 f8 g) F6 I: bto feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings" J4 |1 z/ \0 I/ [
 Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
' Y/ r8 h  V0 [7 ?4 r' `3 j  i He identified with our distress and despair.0 J( }9 n0 `/ p7 L$ @7 g1 i
identify sb with sth
4 u- a$ i% s6 ?  \$ O4 o2 N# kto think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
3 ^' j0 B0 z) a; { She has always been identified with the radical left.
, @7 o8 I. k& B0 I$ d5 l identify sth with sb/sth8 U/ g1 r5 Y: @: m
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else- d+ q! O5 h( R
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verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)
1 p# U; q4 W  e, l6 O* x (also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.  J. ~% U* [. F# K* b) F7 r
to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.7 J4 N) }/ e* A6 W9 g9 E
[VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.
6 t5 I8 T0 |+ a8 m! P, k( m1 x2 E+ XPhrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
- }1 G! S& F# R, W6 T/ Gidentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
1 @, R$ V/ S3 [( V2 Didentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else! _2 |: ^2 Q; E9 |/ T" |" _: I
Synonym: EQUATE
  a; y' ~2 [. w# KYou should not identify wealth with happiness.
. `- X) t+ |5 ^% }. q, r8 a0 ebe identified with sb/sth, c! A% Q2 G5 s: {( V
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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identify  
8 W. x! Y) f- k7 i# @5 \/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
0 V! r3 m( B  R4 ~7 L [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人.
9 O7 M5 t: c! w) O7 u [Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈. ; [. H  M+ k( A: n5 u1 U
(phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.
3 |. t7 n& ?% O# z> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U]
. V/ l7 k' ?, l1 V' f1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间. - n3 v2 p- h3 m9 o* O4 i$ x
2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).  G+ V3 E1 |& Z: R0 b
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7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
! a. R. s/ L! Z; w: z8 q$ S这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文
, o* n  Z6 z& H只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。+ j+ m7 m6 ~4 z* [) M
这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变0 T3 A7 n) ?1 d8 |6 _0 y
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25. A% `8 \" Y0 M
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
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有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法
3 ?7 B! V4 b( V) ]如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
: V) O1 A2 i% @2 S" T  ~其实,台版没大陆版严谨。; v; N0 F% G3 x0 q* u$ J4 |) o
就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

; M' S4 Y4 L5 G1 G# i曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
8 [: X1 C3 ~1 {) R- [& o. h6 a; W和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。( ]& h' A2 |* S8 K5 E
台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。
" F, X1 L- T, U/ ^- m: S一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml9 x2 p8 J3 U. Q" {
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
" p" Q* g/ ]6 g) o$ o" f在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

) s4 ^5 Q! A( c* Y某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”  w' ~! J7 J4 x, _, [) T& z
男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”
4 H9 @6 f! s# }5 F- o, \  t+ l# `女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。
" m4 h% o) L1 f6 `( r婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。" w4 t1 k/ D% S0 B3 c
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”
0 S# }* g& g1 f2 L; v男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:586 C# e2 }9 T/ y6 O$ `
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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# b& r" L/ H! [7 C- ^在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……: w# |7 S) U3 R' k4 J9 B9 ^
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. l+ W$ p7 z. J4 ]* x9 g3 x, e大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
" n: ?  r' d# F6 {* T9 j台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。
1 V1 j5 c" D8 q相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。$ \/ [4 v: ?3 z
仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
+ {; P) v" H; e6 O台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。
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台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。9 O; ?5 h& \8 r% P* y9 F
昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
: J6 O* `' y  ], _) ]% V“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。
5 l9 ~* A- r: I3 U+ D5 T大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...
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同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
+ o& n3 f' R( W  M+ `/ G但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:- c2 B3 h# S9 D, C# B9 @
1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
! `2 b5 ?. N6 W2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...1 I/ t1 x) E! p7 @+ e
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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