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    Identify% c4 ], ?2 g, M8 g9 @/ B8 u
    柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      8 }$ d- X4 X* D4 h( l
    ♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)/ ^, d& i& h/ \  k  J+ F) x5 T
    1 [VERB] V n& o' c' v& Q  P) A# ~
    If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.% M( ^  K3 [  `1 J
    There are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...% U7 J1 I8 M, p: s1 j* L
    2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing! F1 K# T7 t5 {# @$ e9 H
    If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
    ( V0 X0 W, f$ D) rPolice have already identified around 10 murder suspects...+ F. V: G, o2 ]9 a
    The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...
    . g0 }0 |& w1 e' G: M0 g= name3 }5 g8 \  h0 W2 _
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    If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
    ' q9 |2 z0 e! vScientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
    9 n0 z2 K9 P5 }8 ^/ b% W= discover
    8 G  j1 P. l5 p5 u6 T& [4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
    " A3 m% C' Z. e. |+ oIf a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
    & \/ F# e) c+ b& ?She wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...  h& P& m- ?7 R* W2 ~! x5 _
    His boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.
    ! I, I2 I5 r! A* v= distinguish
    2 f+ [& H0 N4 M- Z  {5 [VERB] V with n
    : |6 {4 q- ?# t) S# aIf you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.! _& `5 L; N) t+ A; c+ k
    She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...0 n7 @8 f- D0 V6 S  s
    6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
    2 h; ~) o* S: z7 ?- Q0 aIf you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
    / J& d0 X" A, y+ h$ GShe hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...8 u2 d( @' i: q. G) x
    The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.0 ^% V/ ~% ]7 L/ N
    = associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站
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    朗文当代英语词典
    * m$ K' L; }! H# J! T' p1 f" ?identify  5 N9 Y6 D# ]! [" u! ~+ K
    i·den·ti·fy6 v' K# R/ B0 x# X
    W1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
    " N+ H3 Y% q( Y, Z  z( v
    , p; S3 L6 N* U[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]
    ; C$ u7 t+ o) d: m6 `+ I/ yto recognize and correctly name someone or something
    ! ]# h( e- a8 Y' Y He was too far away to be able to identify faces.1 d* F' ~( u* L+ x1 v2 J2 K3 D
     The police took fingerprints and identified the body .5 p% K/ u3 N# Z2 s0 g3 h; C* |
    identify sb/sth as sb/sth
    1 M) G2 p+ _- E  L! N1 _9 Z& G$ R1 \ Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.$ @* G3 e/ e# ?
     The aircraft were identified as American.
    + m8 ^$ d1 z) r4 ?: F3 Sto recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc) W0 M4 h5 \8 P" p
     Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.
    ; f$ j/ s+ P1 L* @, H! n They identified a number of problem areas.
    2 ^6 }8 Y0 X2 w8 o9 ^; y3 Nif a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
    ! p" `; v/ ?- `( M' `2 hidentify sb as sb
    1 b( t8 J! f$ G. h  z! C" K8 ?! n9 S His accent identified him as a Frenchman.: \8 V% B7 p# F# T
    identify with phr v
    / R0 M& k) \0 Y& F4 d identify with sb/sth; ]) T+ k' q* o' u' v- V8 H
    to feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings- e, ~7 Q4 J3 H4 Z" Y% n
     Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
    ( u! l" A1 n: F/ G He identified with our distress and despair.
    + j; V" }* ^- z( @! r identify sb with sth
    5 f. }! k- ^2 Z  m8 P# ]0 Jto think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
    - {. k4 ~, a8 a" w$ Y; m, F3 v She has always been identified with the radical left.1 `) ^; a; T; w$ a0 O0 x  ]* k
    identify sth with sb/sth5 m9 }8 a, x6 J3 l, N. m: ]( K
    to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else* D* |  Q5 ^: L4 z' U
     the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems
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    6 Y$ K+ p  R/ T牛津高阶英语词典, U+ z1 Z& W9 X: _# H( p- g
    identify  
    ) o. U. C6 }! M' I1 e verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)# u$ e7 h2 c% s* l  i) s
    (also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.
    " ^7 b9 l$ s; p$ a  v8 L to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.1 J+ i8 Z+ {6 ?; C
    [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.
    6 ^3 L; Q! I( N( q! R, bPhrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.0 V0 q# I( }! L
    identify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
    ( e" e5 F3 T( i( uidentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else; @9 m3 l! Z! P% m" p/ B( m: u
    Synonym: EQUATE
    ) X+ ]" k4 Z2 U( l  {You should not identify wealth with happiness.  ]/ l( K8 R4 ~! d5 Z1 e& `
    be identified with sb/sth
    ) T" B9 D1 j. x; n+ Z0 Eidentify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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    ! Y% c) n9 R+ T) Z, C! y' s" ~牛津高阶英汉双解词典* ~( N, w( J3 ?. M
    identify  ; u' ~  I; m) l' M2 f/ K
    / aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
    % x9 ~" G; q. e) N; x [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. & v+ @& @9 T4 b1 [" F2 t* B1 ~
    [Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈. 0 _& e/ p3 y' N" y4 N1 T" z
    (phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.& R9 F# C/ ]: a0 t9 V
    > identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U]
    7 ?; Z: _0 q1 h4 s% W1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
    6 R: k; n2 `5 h2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).* y& S# O. ?( j. @
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    发表于 7-19 23:25:22 | 显示全部楼层
    7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
    6 T. S! @' ^# }' d这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文6 v- l* W- b" Y  }
    只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。
    9 ?! M) _0 h8 ?' D' P1 ?' v; U" l这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变8 n8 A  Q$ U- V2 Q6 W' l" m
    举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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     楼主| 发表于 7-19 23:58:43 | 显示全部楼层
    emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:252 n. u% K" @  s; B
    7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...

    , _0 d; }, }& L/ U( n0 F% _7 _4 g有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法. D# W7 Q- B* j* Q( a( j
    如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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    在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):0 _; w" a: F3 k& K! Q. W" @8 `( l0 l
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    rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
    - T7 H; g, r; s' A其实,台版没大陆版严谨。
    . b  M: u8 k. [' e& a就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

    2 {0 F, K" {6 H9 O8 e曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
      c' S- z2 I8 q; s' B$ J和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。
    / F6 v8 Q- @% \) w1 o* o, D台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。: ^) G9 J& W, F# M
    一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml# n7 \$ p. u2 n- z5 r
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     楼主| 发表于 7-21 18:34:15 | 显示全部楼层
    blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58% w! x# L1 t+ t" A: B, s
    在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

    " F5 i# u( e3 K  @, K) ?某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”& M# r# T5 {4 Z
    男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”6 J: I' I/ x! [
    女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。: ^* ?( k; d5 x5 _* x! f& `8 j
    婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。1 ]9 P4 P( N! B& d- d* c0 F8 S
    女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”8 ]2 w5 r" J* F  C8 F! T: A
    男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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     楼主| 发表于 7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
    blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
    ! u) _( C% a7 t" V在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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    在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……0 F# \! e8 S+ ?5 K! o

    ; Q0 z2 x; U# M2 f, A# I  H: ]% p 捕获.JPG , ^2 l2 i4 M. t) v8 l
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    一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07
    ; a! q* z) j5 V& [! }在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
    6 u" o. m4 m4 O  p" c! s ...
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    大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
    & ]: D8 k9 P: F! F- @4 Q3 a台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。
    ; J6 v7 o. ~. x) A1 Q$ G相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。
    8 ~, T$ _' Y5 V" a% |仅代表个人意见。
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    rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01; [1 o0 [  J  C& `
    台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。

    * S9 ?! |! M( S# |( v  _, S台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
    ' I; m5 ]. {  W3 e2 t! K4 S# n* P昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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    rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
    9 t8 z) [5 Y1 F& ^“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。
    ; M2 m* `% M1 U* i- Z2 o大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...
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    同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
    - R8 ]7 o, d4 p( [- M' D/ Q但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:0 F( Y& U8 X5 n8 V+ H& a
    1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;* o" |" I+ B8 \, `2 C1 a! i- n
    2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...
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    说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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