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Identify/ _2 L1 K. ~. g0 S
柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
. s  ^2 B: w' j' o  a ♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
6 G$ a9 T3 s4 t; k  D0 ]# z1 [VERB] V n: @9 ^* I* S8 x6 W( K$ C: v9 T
If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.
0 |" K! H" N$ d5 |0 bThere are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...& q1 M4 D! d9 h* |  o- i
2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing9 y! r- R/ I) y& v5 v% X$ |+ ^. w, c
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.* U0 b" |8 _4 I! T4 L
Police have already identified around 10 murder suspects...9 N; z1 s' X; y3 S4 E. Y" ~! d* H
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...
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If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.! e0 j! F5 \( w, a1 O) I
Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
* k0 d, e5 i7 u6 b: X$ C2 i' u- S= discover) Y$ W& _; _  w, v) \, g7 C( r& I
4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
5 \3 O8 l* J) R* sIf a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.0 Y3 W& D/ H3 T( H1 T& L. U
She wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
2 C  Z) r0 ~8 T& ]His boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.; U* L5 f( }2 k8 `3 ~3 \" t4 u
= distinguish* c' Y1 N& c9 u5 I# D) H9 O
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' X, l/ A( W1 V9 O4 d0 e: T4 JIf you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas., h! d7 w0 {2 x7 v7 [! C7 \% j
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...6 j$ Q, @+ g6 r( F( K
6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n/ \7 w6 E4 w4 o* P
If you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
& e8 Z& s; g4 L7 r( b) wShe hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
& ?3 S# v  a- k! N6 m7 ^The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.& r! D3 J4 m- ~! X' c( {0 c* e; G4 t) k
= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站 : Z6 t8 f" p2 C5 o) ]4 l# W

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朗文当代英语词典" L' g8 B3 z8 @- |9 N- _
identify  
: h% N, ]+ s$ S) I% o3 g  S4 Y( ji·den·ti·fy
# w* c0 k) k3 R: f( PW1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]
2 Q) k+ g; D; W1 M+ v, r) Tto recognize and correctly name someone or something6 N0 G1 }0 W' b
 He was too far away to be able to identify faces.
! T9 w. J* v* {6 A! `% {5 m% R The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
  B) w$ R3 Y' |) pidentify sb/sth as sb/sth5 `7 U2 ?. Q8 P6 {* g
 Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant., G. M* ^1 H1 f. L% c
 The aircraft were identified as American.! t* j' s! z+ n: D6 r" V8 T
to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc1 [5 c& ~2 |  |; D8 |+ c
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.* ~6 p( \( |- L6 W1 W: G6 j6 d
 They identified a number of problem areas.5 U  Q+ T" U& m0 P! i- ^: N
if a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
, ~  P; |  F# _$ r6 ^identify sb as sb( y% Z# Q* g. D3 z
 His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
& C! A1 X2 `: n5 J! K8 [+ {identify with phr v! _' ]" H' c# O0 p$ _8 j
identify with sb/sth& E5 x" ^6 R: b2 P, R
to feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings6 |, A. `' g5 O/ u' m8 Q
 Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
, [  e# c! U8 L He identified with our distress and despair.
# S6 \5 W0 A8 \" b$ b" n6 X identify sb with sth
) W; T$ v8 q( {! F# m/ \3 Yto think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group4 K4 r$ P+ Y& q( _6 E9 r8 Z( r
 She has always been identified with the radical left.* s& ^  A" j. m0 [9 K/ u5 h
identify sth with sb/sth( \. h1 u, j# ]' T5 G9 {
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else) ^* D& _8 X* }+ N0 S$ l
 the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems( [9 h. G% j! }

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, U+ O9 Q0 i  J: b4 G+ g9 [' V identify  
4 K4 f1 Y! U; ] verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)/ ^6 A! m& l$ L8 j7 z' j2 X
(also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.
+ }, D$ r; J; ?- [2 K: ^& f to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.; ?: {! v  M% J/ b* S
[VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.# r) Y- c' m* H. `- _+ P; m
Phrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
# {- Z, `+ K& C! f- \2 hidentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
* w" D8 f% [5 r5 Midentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else) {: q  u2 Q5 {" I
Synonym: EQUATE
0 t% x+ ~6 T' V$ NYou should not identify wealth with happiness.+ L& p' M) p5 X7 l. ?7 V# X
be identified with sb/sth1 C+ W+ ?$ }& d0 _1 e0 v
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime./ @* D. A( J) h+ q% B# i
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' {8 k0 P# j$ l( N3 S. c- V牛津高阶英汉双解词典! n3 P7 f1 J( G1 Q# l# \" ?
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/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied) $ B& w5 M; ^# m4 O
[Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人.
' D- C4 S+ C* n* Y2 r5 ^ [Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈. $ @2 v8 K8 G+ }' d* Q3 o: {+ J' O0 x
(phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.# h* s1 r0 h/ H! y# f7 s" b( H. u& F
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U] 0 b- B* e& ~; D6 @- r- E2 @
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
, a+ h! Q, `! ]( e, U5 N2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).5 O: M6 b" ^# H0 T& K* G+ x+ M$ `
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发表于 2013-7-19 23:25:22 | 显示全部楼层
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;3 i6 h6 k' H/ ~1 S$ w" k
这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文7 ~) N) {) {2 v% r! T; F
只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。
- S7 p: t" b  h, w) O这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变
6 Z' A/ X( e- s5 A; e6 g举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-19 23:58:43 | 显示全部楼层
emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25) ]/ Z( F1 U4 H, ^' m
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
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有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法
" K+ d$ Z7 e! R  S$ H. m如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
1 v; L2 U3 v# o* X其实,台版没大陆版严谨。: Q/ r& f6 y+ t4 ^3 F; F
就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

0 w$ q9 ]7 Q  p# _: f, q曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
; B3 S' E' u) S/ T- s. g和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。
9 M1 }. N! U# c" G& B6 {台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。
  T0 U5 e( O4 p* q/ o一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml  R/ e3 K6 P. L2 j2 G9 K
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
0 L; W$ J* M1 O1 ^1 C在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”
3 w, r, D6 ]. h2 T% H2 |/ B( V; J男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”
" o1 l% [/ f* N1 _4 b女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。
2 {7 a5 @' A( o8 @/ M8 o, y婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。
% j6 r  x7 p0 C, O6 R1 M* z3 s4 R女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”. z/ |# `+ O3 v  ^5 I
男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:586 E  R/ P) N7 W9 }
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:073 m2 _! a5 |. Q& M4 S; S
在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
5 _' M% r: ?0 h# S% s* [( j0 Q台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。/ I2 L/ @$ ^' t  q( l: c5 b
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。2 a6 x+ _& c5 {9 |
仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
2 h! X( B( V$ n7 p9 S7 v6 ^台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。

5 [: T# [, z7 d* Z台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
% I$ Z. h8 }6 [8 u' `2 h) b昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25. t* [3 o; z3 }+ A
“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。0 N& {2 y* u6 Y- j- _
大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...
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同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~1 R' b  K2 c, u# ~7 t2 d4 U3 t
但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:
5 o6 V- H! C4 N( }2 i7 m3 m' K1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
* Q6 c. X$ ]; K$ ~# X2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...; |9 s9 O  Y* S8 C& r
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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