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Identify$ l& B0 `' }- F/ W- n
柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
+ y# t. W) t) z+ o ♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)% r! u7 t- l$ b" M! S1 M( S! c
1 [VERB] V n
1 k8 d- M  b  S" }4 \6 K. T: @$ t2 ZIf you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.
  T, m1 K7 F, r' v2 FThere are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...
8 \& [9 P! q5 v* [  h4 j2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing' ]9 k, w$ g# K3 M
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
9 Z4 Y8 ^) {. V0 u: ?7 XPolice have already identified around 10 murder suspects...6 W0 M' _0 N9 E" \1 {/ s; Q$ V
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...
! F- Q/ X) t; E" k; R1 K= name
8 D/ a; B: B3 n/ `, e9 z3 [VERB] V n
; {& z1 }3 l7 xIf you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
6 e, K: P/ E* T0 @Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...% K& [- j% ?( L5 m4 }  }& e" q
= discover
0 d. l# H$ m& q% T. F% M4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n  ], p. j% ]2 z! j( ?- P) N4 b/ z) u
If a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
( {8 u% W  u; p3 K2 NShe wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
" c' {+ m- P# o7 \, ]2 B# RHis boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.
, M3 [4 a. O1 Z! }/ e% E= distinguish
/ Y/ K$ C+ T* ]4 }( J1 g5 [VERB] V with n
8 s2 J* k" |. B5 q+ Q/ WIf you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.3 I, e* ^3 e: j9 x6 `
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character.... ^% U, p; E6 f9 v. r5 {2 a
6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
4 n# U+ R  g: l9 @, g3 q" AIf you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
7 s* C* y( k5 `# }' J+ }/ ^She hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with..." E9 a* V5 z+ A* X* {6 C
The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.
9 J# G# u/ M+ O) O= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站
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朗文当代英语词典  }: r6 F% M3 H' U
identify  
* _- K& w+ A2 x8 x- w+ Xi·den·ti·fy
$ Z2 Q% b2 @# G% K- x5 E8 c" eW1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]
$ u2 b8 Y" o# U: p4 q0 j0 Fto recognize and correctly name someone or something5 D4 ?1 b. }% T+ x* X
 He was too far away to be able to identify faces." _' v0 _$ g# b- z2 }
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
3 O: s+ j. y4 a: Lidentify sb/sth as sb/sth- a" t% Y4 {8 J7 _" ~
 Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.. Y1 m( g0 a) K) Y) r; Q
 The aircraft were identified as American.2 o4 }& P  f5 \5 F( _
to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc7 R, x; _0 M4 l. Y# C
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.: H! J( {* S! R  z' Y
 They identified a number of problem areas.3 G$ z7 R! Z# e. R/ @
if a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize! L% x( j, j6 H) l+ T% s9 f( G/ q) i8 |
identify sb as sb
& Q, z- f& _4 A( [  O+ M% G His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
* `8 k3 w) x4 Q/ r8 oidentify with phr v9 b* J* h$ R; h% i& q; t3 }3 M. q4 @/ Z
identify with sb/sth
  r' \" ^4 d  o/ E6 m  F! Ito feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
$ O7 w9 f3 R0 t" e( m Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.. r" A( I# z# Z
 He identified with our distress and despair.% Q( g) V1 T$ _# H+ V9 }6 @$ w
identify sb with sth4 w& B3 v9 q) Z$ |6 E; R" z
to think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group1 w" m7 D3 O3 R" H
 She has always been identified with the radical left.
6 j1 ]( E" J' ~) V identify sth with sb/sth3 V6 b* b4 C, h& K2 G
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else6 y$ ^8 `7 F5 ^4 O. j
 the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems
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4 a5 K4 F6 G. k' U7 Y牛津高阶英语词典
3 X0 x0 ~! L# ? identify  
. _8 g- L8 s' N' M2 _ verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)" }0 s  s! y- L' u0 N
(also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.
3 C( k, E  }/ J) J5 b to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.
7 K- d2 |4 {0 Y9 h/ e0 t9 c [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.
, [8 _" A- a6 KPhrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
# X/ y9 D% M3 e* t* f; aidentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
2 K! {/ ^8 I5 H& Q* Pidentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else* q$ j. I. X6 Q8 n
Synonym: EQUATE
" F1 |; B2 u; qYou should not identify wealth with happiness.
1 h4 P( n( q6 s! A% P8 ]" k" \be identified with sb/sth
- A3 V8 S; \3 F  i+ eidentify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.! M- g' m) ?" w( O5 @* [
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# Q0 Q. x2 U. ]: @牛津高阶英汉双解词典
, J. @+ Q; L& m identify  
. J6 u& h* N: @! i5 d  y: l7 E2 W- n/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
( i8 g% m9 x6 p" l [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. % ^  H9 h4 L! T3 K
[Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈. & U4 C9 B" J1 J
(phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.6 ]. {* d# N" M! O, n  k
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U] 9 ~9 w4 t! H1 O  c) [9 S
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
2 B- o$ S& x# c+ s" J2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).
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7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
6 f3 {$ S# \. C0 {) }) r. N, q8 @这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文3 h, N! u% I! f( T7 M2 Q) Q
只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。
! I. O( c" B. `" _1 W8 d) D2 z这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变0 c' v. t- I9 P* n
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:254 ~% a* p  s& t4 |& S. L1 e) {% N
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...

' z% \; f7 D5 A% l! B有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法  ^! p: f9 i' a) w9 a
如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
# v. F' A. |- h0 W* J$ p9 q+ ~5 q其实,台版没大陆版严谨。# T( W! Q8 Q, C0 T6 h: _
就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

4 d$ X% ?5 I( o  i, U曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
7 I6 s( M& H- Z3 j和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。
* t# Y% V+ I/ j( X6 M  Y$ t台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。
0 o* u! |# c. E2 p9 c6 t& q7 ^一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58" a. |3 ]! e+ K$ R9 n9 I
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

) Y& N- r( B  q( J$ w某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”* @- e/ T! z$ s* q8 f! P$ N
男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”
0 s6 C! }0 K' h2 H% j女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。
1 u: ~( v4 C; ?- {/ v: s  s9 f婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。7 N. }* Z: ~* Y! R3 }3 _
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”
4 r$ E. _+ B' g/ F2 m' I$ \1 Y男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
0 w5 K" ^8 o. f) P2 q8 X在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

' i- ?  s6 U% b/ A4 G# D7 U在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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/ I# M2 j) L4 z大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
- T( m/ n, U" w5 G4 Q台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。+ R! R7 O" a* K0 q9 T
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。3 N3 L5 |& u$ {4 u" |
仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
6 B/ h% p& E+ m台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。
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台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
- W$ z; v. p$ b* J8 a昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
4 j9 |/ G# C5 x0 ?- O5 @“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。* E$ R( w, i1 u
大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

! V* ]" \4 v, W同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
1 H2 G% n. B% }8 d7 X5 V但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:1 V) {0 d5 y5 h- E
1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
. Q0 x1 S9 e. V9 S5 q2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...3 J4 ]; I4 T/ M/ t
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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