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Identify
' G9 S* l) p/ z% y; S; B柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
, h3 I7 S: w4 o1 J8 L$ ~( M ♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
# c+ d9 r1 M7 [4 A8 E5 y1 [VERB] V n
' g6 ]' j0 Y' N7 |+ X0 m: KIf you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.
( H. p. g! y# rThere are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...
* W- ~; a+ d  h0 C! G2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing- m( v4 g4 W0 G1 ]# H* n
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
+ y* M* `1 q, v3 y! L' `& xPolice have already identified around 10 murder suspects...
+ f8 q# O: Q* B; b' W9 m: ZThe reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...$ X% O0 v! _- P# Z- d8 h
= name; u3 L- d, W5 O) H6 {" b
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6 m* \6 V, D/ \3 c* S% XIf you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
) ]/ h, L8 |* N0 h8 q- {( R7 P" l9 PScientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
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If a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.2 F- u8 W8 l1 M- z
She wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...) b; `* ?$ A( E7 |6 P0 |' ?! I' {
His boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.& _: Z/ y( T$ T
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5 [VERB] V with n! j, P5 x* d' a- [& T' G
If you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.0 ?5 a+ M- T' t
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...* ]( ^! B) n9 a+ o# E/ @
6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n1 F2 h% ~, h. I1 T4 E4 L( a. h
If you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.3 s4 M8 E8 q) B' N% O/ C5 J
She hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...- u. p: o! h( v
The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.# w/ ~' q' [. M* _* k* S
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! b4 B( N8 Y, o; v! Z朗文当代英语词典
/ E" v3 ]8 U0 Z, v$ P3 d, xidentify  
! G4 \+ U0 `8 N( P7 q( l! mi·den·ti·fy
$ r& B* ^* C! @0 `  D3 q( p* q! CW1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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5 ]" P6 _. F0 e1 g[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]
" \8 O( a# {4 v7 G& f" D8 p3 gto recognize and correctly name someone or something: Y* L9 e6 \/ P4 A) _
 He was too far away to be able to identify faces.7 R- e9 v& {$ [# t8 d! e
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
$ B; a6 C. [8 C2 y" T; X, z1 _identify sb/sth as sb/sth
* G- ~, ]; V8 L% L4 Z7 M Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.
, c# S: {8 D( S3 m0 M4 K) ^; [8 _* J The aircraft were identified as American.
) o) N# u' m/ Fto recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc  m, s/ n) O, U. {1 s; h  B
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.) @. Q3 w$ B* o0 H6 @, U* E+ f
 They identified a number of problem areas.
7 D# p7 l# I. f  m9 qif a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
3 |3 t6 y, b( P, R0 f/ |- Hidentify sb as sb
% k. b6 D& f" b' Y( L1 {+ K# D His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
# ]6 P7 A' D3 A6 x, N; A; ?identify with phr v! j8 I) ^. U5 M1 `8 J8 w) I( P0 _
identify with sb/sth
* }0 \3 ^! f" C/ H& u1 |to feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
9 {9 m& A/ p: ?3 g, g, Q Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
# P4 d6 n  S; {4 T1 @ He identified with our distress and despair.% U! p" O. ^4 C. h7 k
identify sb with sth
4 n! p8 G, X) u2 `to think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
, f/ Z; x, J# O She has always been identified with the radical left., o" D* `! H: |1 ]: |
identify sth with sb/sth  w" G+ n, V9 ^3 R! I; Y9 k9 _* f
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else5 {6 ?/ ^* f9 J. M
 the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems
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& o+ r. p" N6 B7 }6 r5 K- U9 f牛津高阶英语词典& H& r5 V$ e8 w( ?
identify  
5 n6 d/ y5 e" o/ @4 c5 n verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)7 S$ @0 K- N/ [! {3 s' i$ H
(also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.
2 k1 _2 L) s( ?+ v# E+ C to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.& p# Y+ O0 ?% C0 N$ I: c
[VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.
! [  p2 n* r5 {* H  MPhrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
7 @; \9 }- N6 F0 Midentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
+ k5 e2 z- y2 i4 B0 W1 R  Ridentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else" p! v9 |6 {: M9 x% H) @( F3 C
Synonym: EQUATE( A- Q7 f% `7 E0 W; a) N
You should not identify wealth with happiness.
4 l' J8 |! A& x- Kbe identified with sb/sth6 o0 J9 r; p3 P! \9 h: S
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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- ]0 {: R3 F4 `0 C9 G牛津高阶英汉双解词典) b8 n) g9 a3 F. L
identify  
4 J- s1 j4 t$ N6 c/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
. V: j+ ]! X2 ^. A [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. 0 F' g, K! e' |. D% F
[Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈.
; a4 I0 v, Y9 S- p; Z7 x (phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.: q7 q% [7 k: e* {7 r& ^. o2 u
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U]
* ]' Y( l9 E; Y, Z- ?1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
% O* C" a7 M' L' b2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).
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发表于 2013-7-19 23:25:22 | 显示全部楼层
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
) ^+ K1 P4 v1 o) q+ M0 E1 `! t. j这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文
" o9 a- [7 w( l7 U3 w9 b. i只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。
( S6 Q' O3 L3 X' c" n% h9 g! c这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变
4 f& t5 p  F8 i8 n2 H7 r" i4 `' [举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-19 23:58:43 | 显示全部楼层
emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25$ W; U; O' W# V" w5 F: z& D" ?
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
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有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法8 v% e4 ?+ s9 I% ]/ M
如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57& }9 Z: O/ {+ Y! T- ]1 m
其实,台版没大陆版严谨。
* A% J! o; }2 ~" ^7 T" L/ H就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

) g& ]# J* s# V4 O" E曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。5 G0 \6 u9 X- e  v7 K
和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。
; Y3 u; C7 G' C台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。& J% D, y$ z5 B" T
一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58! W5 j" p0 m7 J
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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. |& H6 ]5 C: P+ ^* P男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”4 G8 J! ?6 i% J( I9 _6 B
女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。8 B  t6 H/ Y+ \  @' m
婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。% f4 K$ K# Z2 w1 R* `
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”9 S- i4 H$ j$ ~% }
男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
: _4 y8 ?# ]' v3 q在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……' Q" Q0 S2 k- [7 U& H7 |1 s3 Z5 e
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( Y! F% A! k: A5 Y- ?在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……( ]% P: _7 V' j7 g( C: [6 ]
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大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。& O. E7 D: f! B: ^4 l8 u
台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。
, ^' b, N6 S# f% P# b! Q2 _4 L* M- k相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。" {* e( m% D% K! P& W+ w5 c5 s, L
仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:018 S& O0 A8 |- }1 Z% F
台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。
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台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。) ~8 W( B( L( A0 R9 K3 @6 |
昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
2 Y- f! d) G3 v# ~4 j“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。
0 V+ P7 W% A  l& {; r3 @3 g大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...
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同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~$ P! ]4 |1 ~& x! T
但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:
: H2 u- o' ~& q1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
# y  {( d% m2 ^" ~2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...8 e( Y  q. @% U
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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