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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that
- g& ^. }. z" `! {. [3 J5 Ta) product requirements are defined,4 i$ C" i6 ?8 h" v! A
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and% ^' H! }# m& D6 Y9 |5 F
c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.7 x$ P" a! u5 ]: @( R' Z! D
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
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* m2 b! z6 n: [2 R7 r# WContract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence:
" H! D7 x2 S! l; R# L7 k: ?" \& J' f- qFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
7 P* N3 Y$ Z3 E( Z7 L& \1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
& a+ |7 c/ n/ `2 L* n1 [9 K/ `# b2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.0 f+ E5 l3 @6 m% V% N9 S
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
' n" _! C/ r( Z$ G3 E* dRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.
  W6 ~4 [) C: U( D9 f' nEvidence: 0 {9 @+ Y9 N, }; t; u
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:1 p, T4 r+ t# d0 E
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.4 j/ {8 a  A+ h
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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% {2 p2 w" r8 }' z. ?, ^Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55
9 Z' ~, y: D" _5 o% TRequirement:   Z0 \" \2 F& q1 a
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?$ r% J) l3 I* {$ K0 s- u
It is right.
. a5 z& ~0 s. d* qReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42
( ], n! }/ ]! h; T" }# WEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
, F. |1 A* S6 U, pIt is right.9 i9 i. a8 p' ~! p1 e
Referring to this case, co ...

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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。2 K  q: w- Z) G& s4 ]# H3 e1 w
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:6 I& z) j/ Z- Y
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
& ]- h1 D  @1 x; ~) M8 T" t1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
1 l8 @! ^- Z9 m6 r0 _全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。
% O0 k! F# C3 E) m0 k7 w3 [2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
! y+ y, r5 ]7 O. N! ^/ ^- y全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。. b% m$ D; w2 w  w6 M5 R. c1 H

+ l; k8 a5 N% x& A/ _7 G6 u! [所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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