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发表于 2011-4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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Requirement:
, o) h) Q4 i( l  D* w* `The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that" u4 B& d3 W- [
a) product requirements are defined,7 `8 X! f  r/ d" L- w" ]0 _; R; Q
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and; F/ A' i' y/ X2 l
c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.% T. H/ e0 w# E; c) D. |8 Q
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
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! r5 h/ v. _8 u& x2 r0 `" I7 ^Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence:
/ J) {: E$ z& l; h) pFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
% m8 t; i0 w2 o4 g2 J# E3 y7 C8 ?1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.: Y* M! Z4 G* p' p5 @( S8 y
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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发表于 2011-4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 2016-6-11 07:27
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发表于 2016-6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 2016-6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement: " E8 B; T& o* d# n
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.8 D8 ]9 c* [  m4 Y- W/ a7 k& \
Evidence:
# @; D# L1 B, G" U! mFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:+ S. b. }$ H7 H- l" K0 D9 |
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available./ E0 k" J5 u! R0 ?/ j4 {, t9 p
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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4 F/ F( J$ x% V. Q2 v- v* v! TEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 2016-6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55) O4 X, _7 s) [
Requirement:
1 J7 d" L7 h1 E+ U( PRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?% c7 S# ?7 q1 I% }4 M
It is right.
. T6 X6 h7 K0 ]$ i1 aReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 2016-6-10 20:47
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发表于 2016-6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42
8 T5 {3 y3 z3 `+ h  yEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?* I; |% ?: \7 [) a+ S
It is right.6 y: W) h' [/ _/ j+ y
Referring to this case, co ...

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发表于 2016-6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 2016-6-11 09:58
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发表于 2016-6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 2016-6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 2017-5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。
+ l) m; `, T) yFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
5 D/ s$ s. z, m, M" d- ]全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:! w3 d3 ?" v2 r5 U* K4 G
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
0 X# u& e8 W& t3 z3 w全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。4 F; P3 D: }. x. f( L( _8 h
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.- q. i' w% [( O% u
全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。, ?! }7 v; c$ o6 }& h8 e

0 K% k6 z: g. u: Z  f  r所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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