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发表于 2011-4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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! Q3 {, Z# p4 i4 VThe organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that0 Y/ Y, Z. ]3 b2 K# v) L$ V8 B+ {
a) product requirements are defined,. {6 W5 S& A/ Z/ X0 P$ }0 E& I5 l
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
: ^9 K3 U9 B% l% A  x: Nc) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.4 D( D- z% i8 _
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
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Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: * y5 u; S+ U3 S. W; }' e8 O
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
8 S1 I: e1 g; l! R1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.: H. F2 v8 J( _
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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发表于 2011-4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 2016-6-11 07:27
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发表于 2016-6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 2016-6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement: ( \9 }; u2 A. T. n
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.
: ~0 Z8 v) j5 c; H& f; qEvidence: 6 m* _- f" P- [% V! y7 Z+ w7 W% ]
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:/ S) H7 v/ o3 K# d4 R( a( ]
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
& B5 B: k  g; F- n2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.* z6 I4 w0 X2 f& O* A9 k9 f/ b

& k1 [. P$ ^- ^Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 2016-6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55
5 B: }2 C0 d6 g- ~8 L5 b$ ?) f  iRequirement: ; `6 Y$ A4 p9 E( ]% t1 L0 ?. A
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

7 j7 g! E' m8 R0 j' P; D3 bEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
" P; a( e, q' s; C3 U6 }; LIt is right.
1 U& P; i. u" G# V3 MReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 2016-6-10 20:47
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发表于 2016-6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42
, V7 c" V9 K7 w5 [Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?7 Z( H6 y4 [& T4 z
It is right.
. F* V" q) J: z3 R% c8 JReferring to this case, co ...
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发表于 2016-6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 2016-6-11 09:58
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发表于 2016-6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 2016-6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 2017-5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。& l  v2 x% t  V8 o2 u' _3 u
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
5 |$ j6 ?* w2 G. h9 u全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
" G" `" R! b8 `8 z1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
0 V, h9 {; ?* @全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。
/ C+ E( F8 k! Y$ q0 Q9 |- {0 }2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
$ t& _! l+ Z1 |' M全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。; X% A8 ~9 W, X* n3 W8 i
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所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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