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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that
% o0 D# A, a2 C' A# F6 B& R8 xa) product requirements are defined,
# e4 b" h- x1 B( V- W  O% C4 ~b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
' L- T# C' H' U2 B8 h4 \c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.2 C5 B, t& u  v- {+ _: O, Q+ K
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
% ]: o2 s/ }0 U$ q" ZFailure:  
* r2 Z9 S  o1 ~/ x# F, ~Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence:
! B# e% A( h0 Y4 k0 U7 YFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:) x" H; v2 }) U' A6 {
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
) Y9 \$ b. V) t: b1 }, \9 y2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.4 F% p+ v7 ~' I; R0 R" T) k
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
$ ]+ ]: k9 I% nRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.
4 H7 A9 y) D$ {Evidence:
7 J: I- W" ]: l2 z% L# uFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:$ d, a, ~; W8 m7 Q
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
- E  V% b" N$ @9 c- N2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.' H1 q  G: l2 H7 u$ @- v

# _: L2 T( ^' IEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55$ u) w& `/ w* ?; G0 q% S- K
Requirement:
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, s) O) g5 ^4 P# W- ~2 R0 jEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?2 k: o! n/ C$ @; _7 A! I  W; v0 o
It is right.
8 s1 s$ v. x; D; Y, j$ k! a! [: NReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42. h6 I. |. n  w: }# W$ }
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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Referring to this case, co ...

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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。
/ q% a. a* U& \) @' Z$ |. G2 VFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
. {6 h& F: \0 A6 g1 i% v; \5 [全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:- Q; Q( `1 w, m; l+ i1 Z0 |
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
, I" m% y- X4 n5 P; S2 g全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。) n3 j9 `* |1 G, q# t3 I+ U
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.* f$ I! y# `* ^. K8 a) L7 @
全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。- a6 q. Z5 [' z4 n
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所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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