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    外审不符合项描述2--你认为如何?

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    发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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    ' Z& g& j7 ]% b* P9 kThe organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that
    : l) t/ S4 M0 D1 L6 n+ ]# ]  ?a) product requirements are defined,
    0 I" W9 i6 Z9 B: e/ E- G% tb) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and8 |* s5 Z  _3 p* y
    c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.
    0 D" [- j+ k7 ?$ `1 U% {' [Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
    9 k2 r& Z6 V# c1 Q: m+ ?. F- uFailure:  
    4 D, H/ t! w) X7 [7 r5 P% nContract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: / U) b! X" W& L6 I% c
    For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
    ( ]8 w  O! @( t" U3 |- K1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available./ Q) L: r# D  j/ q/ K
    2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available., W2 _+ G, w! q) P7 B! v  c2 F% y
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    发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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    发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
    我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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    不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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    发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
    Evedences are clear.
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    发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
    Requirement:
    4 Q9 R7 D4 A  B% M8 XRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.
    + V, R+ D6 Y7 a# z) rEvidence:
    " r4 ?- m8 `6 e0 VFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
    9 L, Q0 l1 u) L  o6 s1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available./ |" {4 W( d* e' e- F
    2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.. U, }% d( ^, Z) F8 r
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    Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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    发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
    一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55" a6 w4 i& d9 P' q/ F& x; X
    Requirement: 3 O' g- c- s) U. P6 e
    Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...
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    Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?1 X. _% P0 _4 L7 C8 v
    It is right./ P. Q# L. o$ u* E; m5 C5 U" C( i
    Referring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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    who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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    发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
    Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42, m  C3 w% c6 G7 Y1 y0 _
    Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?) T$ i- k' L: {) x7 W' A
    It is right.' j. z6 w/ w/ \# ^# k$ U1 `+ J/ Q* v
    Referring to this case, co ...
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    发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
    If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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    if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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    发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
    The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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    发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
    "maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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    发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
    本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。' J+ h! x1 y! _% \* x4 C
    For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
    , O/ N6 {6 e5 c/ X8 W+ t2 |全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
    1 V6 C8 A9 N4 q- v% m* ~1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
    8 n: i7 _) @" \( o8 U) D全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。
    % Q1 S- i9 }* S$ }2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
    , W7 h5 n. r3 F3 q$ b% r( ^& }全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。
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    所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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