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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that+ I2 \" X/ D5 @# A* E
a) product requirements are defined,
  R( Z: U5 m7 G4 Vb) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and2 A, ?4 {' z: ^4 j
c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements., Z# K, C& M+ ]( U- r& {
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).0 J5 I8 M4 R7 y. E  a6 B, k
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Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: , d8 L* I) l: k  o) [0 E" V
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:! T; ?6 s3 E( j3 o+ D9 [0 y
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.' F0 ^+ A1 N4 l; f% L6 P
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.# n: |' R- H, N' V: W
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement: . E- H9 c1 s, ]# Z& \7 a% [7 l
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained." ^5 f9 K2 k# t1 W& F
Evidence:
" {+ A# j$ `  T; T! T7 ]For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
5 T3 F" `7 B5 i4 O( c1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
1 j. w) B+ v3 k) [2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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$ b0 F. S) j% J" J6 L  M' pEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55
# z# }# c9 z4 b8 q. ~, M4 H! RRequirement:
$ L% L% V: ^' k5 Y" qRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?0 G' ?6 G) R  |9 b/ ^& j4 L
It is right.
' @& ~' O' C7 v/ u# y! SReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42
  n9 \6 q: ~& G3 ?% g- A# Z" ?Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?3 e# U% i7 q, F
It is right.
. {8 f, w/ ~& i; P( c7 i+ {1 F# uReferring to this case, co ...

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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。  E- H" {  Y" d9 y1 j' N
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:3 e/ j% l) N- H, t) o- s0 ^+ a- u
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:3 w* x- ^, t, s+ g) M) f! u" Q
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
: b. @6 Q) @+ M3 t全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。
% f3 L, g- ~1 f! j2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
5 P0 U8 v2 Y  W& L2 v全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。6 L' B+ ^+ T' j0 S5 X; A% u

: h% l, Y% Y5 {0 }. |! P! z所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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