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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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& V3 a5 W# n! \The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that5 {/ `! E0 B# W8 x$ w) e7 w
a) product requirements are defined,
: G0 ~9 p$ M, c! |) U) Gb) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and- M! ~0 m% d5 `3 p+ o/ [# }/ A
c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.
7 i0 \" Y+ @# pRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
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Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence:   h& Q2 k& N; e+ q9 y5 v/ ?
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:2 F0 D4 ]9 T' j. \2 C
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.7 a1 J# U& U( Y2 h
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement: ' s; O8 q- ^2 A' {# B8 `! d
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.9 N/ F/ T) j$ M# g! o
Evidence:
- p; U1 e. h4 _7 `; j  pFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
" [, W" n) K4 i* E. f, y) x1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
. Y( }3 p) p5 P2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.  D  S4 A0 G# `+ o4 f2 T! j# D* T& P
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55) F! j; _6 N# s3 W- J
Requirement:
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0 s6 [2 |# b1 @* MEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
; e& F7 v" x1 HIt is right.; r! `  F8 x0 e+ ?# y+ l! m
Referring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42- e& X8 R- q2 q  W* k; a
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?( h' B( Q/ e* i' t
It is right.
: d8 q/ _7 Z: pReferring to this case, co ...

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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。. @  d" z! w0 p' _  X% N* M! d' F0 G
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:3 S! d+ g4 U' B0 J. T' M
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:; V! ]# ~" i- N$ q, U& t7 N
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
7 M9 ]/ l# }5 T- F4 B全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。8 l( X( W: R* d3 J- F
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.& V. f+ H% m, L- N
全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。
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7 w8 q/ @1 |1 G' t所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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