找回密码/用户名
 免费注册用户名
各版块官方QQ群号新手如何获得更多贡献值审核员注册挂靠推荐如何成为国家注册审核员新手入门必读-论坛版规
查看: 10809|回复: 13

外审不符合项描述2--你认为如何?

[复制链接]
发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

马上注册,结交更多好友,享用更多功能,让你轻松玩转社区。

您需要 登录 才可以下载或查看,没有账号?免费注册用户名

×
Requirement: $ r9 F6 O+ V) e
The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that. {) L! Y. `* v1 v
a) product requirements are defined,
6 Q; X0 n" ?- M- nb) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
$ ]1 C7 X2 A' A5 Q  K, yc) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.5 Q. I/ g$ }! F
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
" y4 n4 M" U; n7 S: M# \Failure:  
! C2 Q  |, P0 b7 D; v1 b- N# \Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: 3 x: e+ t- C" l$ f( U5 r, q& Q
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:0 N0 o! h$ n5 g5 A
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
* \* d; |. E$ j. G, E6 X2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
9 E5 Q' z7 U  I- ~9 }* w" ^
头像被屏蔽

52

主题

1万

回帖

11万

积分

禁止访问

积分
118741

Medal No.10

QQ
发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
提示: 作者被禁止或删除 内容自动屏蔽
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

点评

rml
不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
回复

使用道具 举报

2

主题

364

回帖

4081

积分

博士

积分
4081
发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
+ v' N- z8 ^! C3 C% R- VRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.
$ _3 o6 s0 t0 ~6 x1 BEvidence: 8 R" y& N, _$ K% @6 @- n
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
; I! X5 G! H1 |# h1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.. m$ f" T( L' |  g/ s  o& b. D  U* L
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
$ @! l0 X: |# p. z4 C: P( T# ^1 c$ @4 q) o. f2 p  o1 w3 y) z' Y
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
回复

使用道具 举报

2

主题

364

回帖

4081

积分

博士

积分
4081
发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:551 w: y& U4 @5 c$ l2 J* h& l% F, }8 t
Requirement:
. J9 p: n) X  c7 NRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

" [$ d6 z  F* e9 G. A7 o& IEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?+ s  |  {9 {, B% R
It is right.
3 R* Z, L4 \3 ]7 k# C4 ]+ @Referring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

点评

who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
回复

使用道具 举报

发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42
, \/ m0 b. |* }8 F9 R, |8 zEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?5 U3 S5 O0 g* P  m" ]) d  o
It is right.
- l" W9 S2 F9 b& ^1 c6 f: Y3 XReferring to this case, co ...
7 o3 ]. n( ?0 j$ B  x# X# R. I
捕获.PNG
" S( U2 {% P" h1 N% Z/ b" h# g; i8 s- W/ J8 B" p, s& q! t1 h1 X
回复

使用道具 举报

2

主题

364

回帖

4081

积分

博士

积分
4081
发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

点评

if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
回复

使用道具 举报

2

主题

364

回帖

4081

积分

博士

积分
4081
发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
回复

使用道具 举报

2

主题

364

回帖

4081

积分

博士

积分
4081
发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
回复

使用道具 举报

3

主题

61

回帖

1682

积分

硕士

积分
1682
发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。" H; C) G2 w$ ~
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
2 J$ U- t5 D: @$ Z- S6 }" [全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
6 Q- c+ F  U  }" b1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.+ I$ u6 ~7 s: M, p0 E- R( d
全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。; S+ T6 S# r) K. ?3 O3 Z
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.5 P2 C' H% u3 m9 i
全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。
' f0 W* K9 u" u" e: S2 |1 c, Z$ w4 X, ?' }. ]
所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
快乐源于交流,在本论坛能获得快乐的源泉
回复

使用道具 举报

您需要登录后才可以回帖 登录 | 免费注册用户名

本版积分规则

手机版|ISO爱好者 ( 鲁ICP备09041441号-1 )

GMT+8, 9-13 20:12

Powered by Discuz! X3.5

© 2001-2025 Discuz! Team.

快速回复 返回顶部 返回列表