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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that' o$ T; F: I5 w& C; V! v
a) product requirements are defined,% J1 F- Q- U; i% o. o! F7 [
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
7 w& |7 d5 H; l% t9 I: L- L9 hc) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.
2 c: q4 Q) u' T5 m) f4 x5 W1 rRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
2 g7 H* E9 b: g6 MFailure:  ! ?8 H9 T+ ?$ @$ j
Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: % N/ ~9 `* f. P
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:% V' k: ^* F4 j; N' h
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.8 _4 J$ M6 X* N7 s! C+ E; H: g
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement: ; g" W! S4 b: n, T
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained., Q9 v; r  |# M& `, ~9 I  o0 F
Evidence:
& [1 E3 {/ s% dFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
- D. w  ]: K: a" T! i, v1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
' k5 V6 e' u* W* f2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55
0 r! w" e! Q* B# v( t) ~* Q; |Requirement:
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8 P, o: `! q! e& ~Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?( _9 M& N# \* ~2 G2 ]
It is right.
  k+ V$ x  X; d6 S/ m# E. lReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:429 @0 n1 b! U# p8 m) H- K
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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Referring to this case, co ...
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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。# R# R- Z4 i9 D1 _6 T! ]7 E2 q
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:& c. \6 x- L6 o
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:' T, P3 F. u9 i8 B! c. o4 }8 z
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
/ e* L, k/ i/ J! |" m: l全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。% \* w' L( ]: ?" J0 \& I; |+ A
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
! B, _0 X/ S) a8 x/ `全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。# R- [2 b, H: Y( s

( A+ f5 H" o; `1 _所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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