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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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, m% K5 O/ @% P( c" LThe organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that
  X7 v2 p( f7 _- v  Z5 ca) product requirements are defined,( D- i9 g6 W! |' m
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and! V/ n" B, F. l" r: M. r8 w9 B( v
c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.. m& H& n) z& G3 d' _( P
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).: A  x9 X4 b# I: s5 c  h
Failure:  1 x+ s" U+ @  G' V
Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: 2 m* @( h( O5 h4 b
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
& z* u# A7 Y$ |/ ?' c) [1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
, ~& K) |8 H0 B4 J. @2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.8 N- j* e! \9 w( [/ g; ~- y
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
5 }: _* w: o, z; Q) u+ S9 qRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.$ x8 v  g! ~# @2 ?. F- z
Evidence:
0 y1 t) f6 ?' h  B  N& n; Q, zFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
% }( c9 f) M4 y7 V- _8 A( B) h1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.( `; m2 O9 \6 s
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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  U: ]7 u: d. ^% gEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55* C0 O) U9 a- i# X
Requirement: ( a: k- M. m, w+ w( p( u  Y
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

8 g$ |8 {* [& `Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?. f1 L) w/ ?, r' {" z' G  T% R
It is right.
0 C$ _/ z) C3 H4 ~! B8 W$ E4 pReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42" l5 i% F, _1 _: k
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
, q- l2 {1 y7 [. q* @& e1 L$ F6 lIt is right.  z9 \) q8 y6 Y  g
Referring to this case, co ...

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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。4 ^1 t: j  N& X- @6 H" h- t: n' |
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:  _: M) c% e# M9 u
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
& `  M1 _4 ^- ?. ~6 n! Z2 h5 c1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.- i9 B" E8 |+ i5 M
全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。
. x$ Z7 d' C& g* b6 i! I5 O$ Q2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
; N( P, d* Z9 Z  f0 D+ M$ p" m6 P# N+ m全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。5 V, _& `' g. I
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所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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