那你最好是去注册咨询师——三方审核员这么做可能包含了很多违规行为——在不符合与改进方面禁止提供帮助 ...
哈哈！终于变调了，谈开不符合项、审核记录的问题，怎么扯到咨询师了？继续睡吧！ 【努力做第三类人】
一、有些人头脑中只有问题，没有解决问题的方法和路径，所以问题永远存在，这是抱怨者；
二、有些人能够看到问题，并同时思考出解决问题的方法和路径，这是管理者；
三、有些人在问题出来之前就把问题消灭掉了，这是智慧者；
四、有些人没有问题，却自己创造了一堆问题，庸人自扰。 我支持用电子版，节约和环保。认真与否这不仅涉及到审核员更加涉及到被审核企业。这主要看企业领导取证的目的和对实行管理体系希望带来的影响！ eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58 static/image/common/back.gif
真的呀？！
俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...
这样的企业不多啊！ rml 发表于 2012-4-14 16:03 static/image/common/back.gif
小朋友，趁你还醒着，去找本ISO/IEC17021来读读第9章吧。
找到了噎
9 Process requirements........................................................................................................................14
9.1 General requirements .........................................................................................................................14
9.1.1 Determination of the audit programme.............................................................................................14
9.1.2 Audit plan ............................................................................................................................................15
9.1.3 Audit team selection and assignments.............................................................................................17
9.1.4 Determining audit time........................................................................................................................18
9.1.5 Multi-site sampling.............................................................................................................................18
9.1.6 Communication of audit team tasks..................................................................................................18
ISO/IEC CD 17021-2.2
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9.1.7 Communication of audit team members .......................................................................................... 19
9.1.8 Communication of audit plan ............................................................................................................ 19
9.1.9 Conducting on-site audits ................................................................................................................. 19
9.1.10 Audit report ........................................................................................................................................ 22
9.1.11 Cause analysis of nonconformities .................................................................................................. 23
9.1.12 Effectiveness of corrections and corrective actions ...................................................................... 23
9.1.13 Additional audits................................................................................................................................ 23
9.1.14 Certification decision ......................................................................................................................... 23
9.1.15 Actions prior to making a decision................................................................................................... 23
9.2 Initial audit and certification.............................................................................................................. 24
9.2.1 Application ......................................................................................................................................... 24
9.2.2 Application review .............................................................................................................................. 24
9.2.3 Initial certification audit ..................................................................................................................... 25
9.2.4 Initial certification audit conclusions ............................................................................................... 26
9.2.5 Information for granting initial certification..................................................................................... 26
9.3 Surveillance activities ........................................................................................................................ 26
9.3.1 General................................................................................................................................................ 26
9.3.2 Surveillance audit ............................................................................................................................... 27
9.3.3 Maintaining certification .................................................................................................................... 27
9.4 Recertification.................................................................................................................................... 27
9.4.1 Recertification audit planning ........................................................................................................... 27
9.4.2 Recertification audit ........................................................................................................................... 28
9.4.3 Information for granting recertification............................................................................................ 28
9.5 Special audits..................................................................................................................................... 28
9.5.1 Extensions to scope.......................................................................................................................... 28
9.5.2 Short-notice audits ............................................................................................................................. 28
9.6 Suspending, withdrawing or reducing the scope of certification ................................................. 29
9.7 Appeals ............................................................................................................................................... 29
9.8 Complaints ......................................................................................................................................... 30
9.9 Records of applicants and clients .................................................................................................... 30 沃特是人体的关于【了 关键是要提高审核能力，练内功。 emeipengxu 发表于 2012-4-11 19:59 static/image/common/back.gif
审核员不用电子版还可以审核，但咨询师不用电子版就无法咨询，这说明什么？
自我感觉良好么 支持电子版 eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58 static/image/common/back.gif
真的呀？！
俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...
其实降本增效要企业自己的管理者理解体系，有专门的人员负责这块，包括质量控制和质量改进等等。审核是评判你的体系是否符合标准而已。建立管理体系的过程才是关键，而这个在初审之前，随后的审核就是帮你维持体系。光靠审核员的几天功夫想怎么样，恐怕很难。 如今大多数的审核记录都是为了认可的，无懈可击。其实就是一堆固体废物。 电子版容易被人冒名顶替 想知道，有哪些机构用电子版检查表了？ 批发！！！！！ 标准化、信息化、高效率，认证机构跟现代工具不接轨，才是对标准的亵渎，也是天大的笑话。 bigi521 发表于 2012-4-11 09:54 static/image/common/back.gif
其实认证中心一般比较鼓励用手写。现在电子版的，存在太多复制、粘贴。
手写的就没有复制黏贴了吗，只不过是原始点的复制黏贴而已，电子版手写关键还是个态度问题，做的好用什么都可以，电子版只是提高效率而已。
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