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Identify
3 I9 C- z9 W. f柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
; j0 L5 W+ |  V1 y4 }, C ♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
; `/ O* ]$ C# `  X3 h3 a1 [VERB] V n! n% e* L: M1 r! K
If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.
  j, D! z- S: @6 mThere are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...4 l% k) e) h: i. Z
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If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.. D2 s) }  i5 H& L9 r+ j
Police have already identified around 10 murder suspects...5 G$ Q+ a# F0 r2 H' B, B6 }0 \+ {
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...
: [; x6 k, m3 B1 d= name
& v8 [8 H4 p/ y8 |1 y  V, t3 [VERB] V n1 ?$ {7 e7 Y, w% C, j, ^: a/ T
If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
$ K7 X1 i8 Y" `4 x* d7 {/ f/ d; zScientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
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4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
  j5 ]+ y1 ^5 @" ^3 v! R7 |If a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
  o# z8 `- B5 O0 c0 p7 Q/ B8 LShe wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...! T0 q, F) K- Q. @' B% O. |5 s8 q
His boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.* ^' T5 _2 @; i# v+ x+ F2 H
= distinguish
6 L- z2 e( X6 @: J4 N5 [VERB] V with n" e( n3 E, j/ O8 h+ t+ y
If you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.
/ u8 r) {  L; u% x$ x* v" T& xShe would only play a role if she could identify with the character...5 Q% m3 r: c, E4 p( o% ~
6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
" s  Q+ `7 y+ uIf you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
* O" ]8 K! _( x4 t3 E+ pShe hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
* @2 v2 T/ F* O& B& R( V9 UThe candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.
* z( b* {7 `) a4 T+ H/ S1 y= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站
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6 D  W; ^4 U& c+ R; z6 V/ a; @朗文当代英语词典6 P3 b  h+ Y, Y$ [) E
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i·den·ti·fy
* P' h6 @: H+ O0 h. v- XW1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]
6 t  J1 A& F6 oto recognize and correctly name someone or something0 G! n1 l' r5 m7 i
 He was too far away to be able to identify faces.% A0 a# `$ I' o
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
' K7 w7 X) h$ f1 D2 u: t$ Q& R. K( N) qidentify sb/sth as sb/sth
* `) b" J4 ^* J7 i7 q8 i$ K Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.
* O! j2 I/ ?& o4 v* z* j The aircraft were identified as American.3 L! R* [, A6 |0 Y7 h  c# y
to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc$ O5 A+ ^% `, a* E# |1 q
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.
6 W* V9 _& Y/ p+ t  W) w They identified a number of problem areas.5 H! ^# j! m& V
if a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
+ k  g& T% H% S' q; j, {( |$ R, Bidentify sb as sb
# K  {  J! M) I* K" L  K His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
( b9 m2 `$ t6 P' Z) r9 bidentify with phr v8 [: q0 Y- a* P, q
identify with sb/sth
4 b( x& v/ a3 Z; x5 Fto feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings% y; n# f4 T0 w7 i: Q1 W+ Z. R
 Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees./ Q  r) s/ h* p( ~( T' Y
 He identified with our distress and despair.- [* m4 O$ u7 w$ B0 ]) d- t) f
identify sb with sth
) l* m  k8 V, p: p5 ito think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
& ^$ {; \+ K+ T3 e She has always been identified with the radical left., K- ^* z! C/ t2 Y9 J3 W6 J2 R, |3 q$ F
identify sth with sb/sth
! U% H1 P3 }! P/ E* \to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else
! z% _9 w% z9 `* o9 }) P the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems
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( e$ M3 f$ _$ z7 Z  \) K1 P牛津高阶英语词典! R# X# h/ D: I% [6 }, B
identify  2 W! `( o) L2 ?+ K' w  B
verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified). E8 U; g' N' p) G
(also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas./ o' M! j/ z% @3 I& w  b
to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.
3 W! S: |& i- M: ^1 e+ m/ S; L& J [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class./ D" l8 G% }7 F5 [3 m9 ?
Phrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
1 p/ d  p# _$ k4 Bidentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
: u5 x% z# U: z; Qidentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else
6 I  u. T/ w/ L& M, ?Synonym: EQUATE! j/ I/ E8 C$ O: |
You should not identify wealth with happiness.1 d' u' T, \/ L, B
be identified with sb/sth
' M: g, d" L% _( }* L. y5 hidentify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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0 x& ?9 s7 K$ Y% `& h  Q/ }牛津高阶英汉双解词典5 p4 z6 T! g. L% P) f
identify  
6 Q) }* V! d3 H/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
5 Y; ]( \5 M- q, q% E$ f [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. 2 ]0 J( X9 G6 Y# {& c% l" m/ @# w; \
[Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈.
/ L& l" |' b% v. H. b (phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.+ c$ V, a; g0 J# `/ M6 i( L) `
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U]
5 k. e0 P* B! P7 w- c6 C2 z1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间. # y, ?/ M% E& B) z8 Y2 F$ o
2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).
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7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
# D- W5 b% n- V$ u这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文: x8 ]8 o9 I0 F5 a
只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。
4 I  C  B9 J8 U& W: x8 a这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变$ d" n7 i8 O' ^6 H. u+ c
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25, U$ B8 v4 i7 N
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...

$ u- D! @5 ^, e, R# w: I# ~  U有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法
; J2 `& S+ V. s5 j  v! a( n1 ?6 A! W如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:570 v) I, ^  k2 x% v, M" g. B2 u
其实,台版没大陆版严谨。! q, N: f9 O/ j8 Z  K+ V! d! g% ~
就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...
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曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。' Y* ~' ~! D8 E, D4 O) A  l1 O! ]
和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。2 g$ \5 s9 h# Y
台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。
2 t1 g- O  a, U- B& i* v一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml0 z" s6 ?6 W# i, @, `6 X
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58& _9 [  Q  X7 C
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

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男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”- r+ Z0 c$ Q) n0 T) o; |
女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。
! y3 {% }' o4 ]) l8 w. n# E婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。6 M) Z% a0 O4 A
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”
- v, W- p# h/ A8 h7 @男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
, s4 O  @1 i3 U+ t# B# b在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

7 U0 r( j+ ^9 a- M" ^在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……  N  n( r2 ]" J6 W2 y8 M: u
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一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:078 ^/ P/ P) R: @. |5 o
在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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& l6 Z/ A* F9 c" B% E& A- ]$ U大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。5 Q: ^+ T9 I' K& m7 Z/ e; n% U
台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。1 n% w5 X9 K+ V, G; e
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。5 v4 i, `4 i! {" J2 F8 k
仅代表个人意见。: m& d1 i! {4 t- }% E: i
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01& ^$ q& ?/ P0 [1 R1 y
台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。
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台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。) V' P1 k$ w; r; U- y) I
昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
8 l4 w$ U; U5 @“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。1 Z* u" Z5 Y6 ~: E5 L/ P. t
大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...
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但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:' b/ J; f' ?; T1 f7 h
1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;1 {6 `1 d0 `+ e4 U6 M
2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...) }7 M" k/ W7 I: n8 T. w, a
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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