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Identify% f) g& d$ k) r. E3 b
柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      + K2 p, T+ T, [' x
♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
+ f" ]$ R; ^0 a( |) P1 [VERB] V n  r' ]" y7 A4 {6 N& u+ A
If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.- ^6 `4 h0 Q! F/ V0 K# G7 e
There are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...0 ]; N' x8 @% e- n# a8 ?
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If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
, Q! G5 K1 u5 _0 h' GPolice have already identified around 10 murder suspects..." N; o' E* \' n3 @
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...2 Q# y) O) l9 O. g2 h: [0 j2 x
= name
6 O: G- M& B% ]4 F, e* J3 [VERB] V n
7 m9 ]8 A6 }, T; h$ t0 }  n$ K1 aIf you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.* @3 P- ?, A2 {; T. M* t
Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...5 y9 T  }- t& c5 l; W) x9 b& w  a
= discover
7 o6 N4 ~0 y3 `5 a" B. x# o" v4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
3 M& l& O6 H6 m! R& ^" Y# e6 GIf a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
( O; J! g6 C" Y- O" OShe wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
! a+ C& j. {/ R! u+ @1 ~! e; PHis boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.4 D1 y) j/ c  A3 f0 a5 T- j0 p
= distinguish/ a1 w0 C7 y1 \& @1 [: s% v0 |3 P
5 [VERB] V with n4 @5 C7 F7 v# A; k7 a5 T
If you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.: B+ A. a" @; z
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...4 j$ E% s& ^# Y/ |# a
6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
1 N' {+ V% v7 x, n0 GIf you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
, n$ V. y1 N+ X( r  n2 o# W' Y0 [! wShe hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
0 l' @3 O! ?5 \' ?# b7 \The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.! ~* _: K5 A' f) s
= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站
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) R1 a$ g2 }. J6 M朗文当代英语词典& D9 K- G' J- x
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i·den·ti·fy9 t( E9 E1 h! d$ f
W1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]
3 _$ r0 z* E3 ~7 p7 bto recognize and correctly name someone or something
& \' J* U8 u. f) ~) N+ T He was too far away to be able to identify faces.; G6 M. d% ^; u
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .0 p- c. K) p) H0 Y& [# `' n
identify sb/sth as sb/sth
" k, P& M9 k  \ Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.( [) r# v" |# t" N! t/ e3 Z2 \. y
 The aircraft were identified as American.5 c4 Z( J3 b, Q7 K) `% J1 l
to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc3 W- W; l  l1 Y1 I  m
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.! _& R4 X2 R0 _) R
 They identified a number of problem areas.
8 l9 H5 C" X* n7 R- u" p1 Y* \: B" {if a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
5 B; ?! S7 @: Bidentify sb as sb) o  T. b+ Q( l: d( w9 w
 His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
; B" s0 C3 w5 yidentify with phr v
, `! q9 [9 x$ `: P6 c0 T- w identify with sb/sth
6 _; t; Z. W% M) uto feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
) N2 S: w5 @8 v7 o Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
% B  T+ f- J" ~6 M6 k He identified with our distress and despair.; D/ f9 Z  d- Z$ m/ `; x
identify sb with sth
# F8 Z+ g4 y3 ?/ Ato think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group5 N2 I8 M3 ?$ j2 ]% F0 |$ F
 She has always been identified with the radical left.
' S! Q4 X* {. _& U. K identify sth with sb/sth
5 [; }, K  h) }: t% r) B. B8 k: wto think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else
6 ~2 ~% L, w- |9 _- b% r the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems. ]# ~/ o: u4 }
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4 a$ O/ g" }5 n& P- Z牛津高阶英语词典
# v) w2 {! d, h identify  
# c* ?# }! Q3 ^; z/ R; L' i# b verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)
) C/ J/ u2 q& u  {5 d: x (also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.
- m/ F( R3 D# r0 E to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.
6 W' j1 n! l/ r9 J0 g [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.: _0 y( S3 H  k- ^6 U7 Z
Phrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
, w" [$ u1 U1 v* E1 G1 bidentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
( y9 g+ w, ]) D- M3 H0 C+ I1 d% `identify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else
3 @% v+ r" I+ m0 \) GSynonym: EQUATE$ {& r; O9 e* C( d6 Q8 B  r
You should not identify wealth with happiness.* F0 k/ P7 g7 ]. p* n( f
be identified with sb/sth
4 i' h# Y: W! V. Y$ k9 b9 \identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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8 O2 u& T2 P/ j! H9 \$ ^/ y牛津高阶英汉双解词典! I) t& A+ |* x
identify  
3 O$ c9 I" t& u, a1 b1 T$ O; @: V/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
, F/ K; p- n. ]% [2 U' @5 a7 M* ^; @ [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. 1 ]( q8 ?6 v+ [4 L4 b" R% R' S
[Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈. ) ~4 t; @* B3 j  I
(phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.4 d# U  e, P  X2 L/ E( ]
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U] 9 ~0 B3 O6 d2 S0 f: }3 u9 S
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
9 S/ d% v" d3 j8 @3 \# y- V- E/ g( c2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).6 B* n0 r7 c, a+ o  z+ Q
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发表于 2013-7-19 23:25:22 | 显示全部楼层
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;1 d' @; y2 b) f: T, Y
这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文; I3 d- v8 T- f: p
只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。$ G! t9 Q! y  F& S
这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变& Z) I! x# d2 e; D3 L. w, `* ?
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-19 23:58:43 | 显示全部楼层
emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25
, [4 z& y7 q8 H" o7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
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有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法4 m' ?4 _& ]: E; u7 |1 k$ C
如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
% N, A, t- x1 z" A; P; U! e其实,台版没大陆版严谨。% A) O* d2 f) P& l" q! w( G5 U
就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

7 l6 _9 h: ]) g1 @; }. c/ I; T曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。8 r6 Z- u3 s/ [0 ^, r* x
和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。
- ^' j/ [4 f( U6 M- R台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。
# [* X5 P- |, P* G3 L& i: k一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml% e8 X+ W% S9 W- j
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
* v* O1 r- u7 T在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

+ F& B. {* n7 |' o4 {& |, j. s某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”- k/ h0 ^# b8 ~# a+ b1 E. @% C7 }* `
男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”
; U8 U+ E7 ]. |2 b( Z女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。
0 O4 U1 l4 n6 t+ Y$ x8 S, y  K: E婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。
& M4 A+ V' {, l' L4 T' x& ]女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”& H$ m5 \( F  ?! h
男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
8 {2 X9 d1 B, ?# F4 r, {5 R+ o在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……  {" {0 |* A6 Z' n% L2 W# D

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一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07
9 L2 d/ N! C) M9 s1 y' M. ~在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。5 U+ }  k% u2 ~. k  n$ Z2 `
台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。2 j) O2 s# f% S. P, W
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。+ N4 K$ Y  u5 H4 Q
仅代表个人意见。3 T, \1 H# G$ |/ a& p9 P! L
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
3 g) }" T4 @/ O% D$ m8 Y) j台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。

. W0 T9 `7 k% P0 H3 l( A台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
( T. m: G& o0 ^8 d9 F昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25+ [$ n0 U( m7 C- b! p
“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。  v# k- ]( l  s7 h% q/ e) f5 Z3 h; y& T
大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

1 u9 P8 v# Z4 B6 N3 j% ]同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~8 m: Q) I7 J& d* U( j6 i
但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:3 M- u& s9 K# ]7 n: e0 |" o+ }
1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
; l* [( @" b* I2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...4 \* ~7 z: l* Q/ a1 l/ ]: ?: M
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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