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Identify
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♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)' m' E# Y# x6 Q5 i  h
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* s1 x2 G5 ~- WIf you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.; t! H2 g3 |2 [4 q8 g- r& h
There are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...
& e0 ^/ w( R0 F2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing" a# e$ Q# k9 I% h7 l" x9 \
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
8 @2 ~  ^& Y) ]3 \Police have already identified around 10 murder suspects...& X9 V7 B9 q2 j" f& D5 I5 }. {9 x
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...
3 J. V: d' v" E* L7 R= name
  a  m) |- ]5 W8 a  d2 `5 D9 [6 `3 [VERB] V n
+ n& o2 U. t6 oIf you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
) X# k" J1 F7 i4 s. g; i' pScientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
/ _$ [2 J2 W- {= discover: h$ p0 y  ]" r4 b+ N) v; _
4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
, w: I+ C  \% c; }" ?If a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way." @0 ^" c. ]$ Q0 o
She wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
$ h, _6 |6 R% {2 W% l4 _5 XHis boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.; @1 o4 F% f  I! k. S  |/ v+ c" a; |
= distinguish
4 w2 b8 k5 S+ S( ]1 h% y7 r% J5 [VERB] V with n
2 X# N# b, Z% O7 v& u6 uIf you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas." q( u# a7 j) g+ C: l* L5 `0 Y$ F
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...
% q; \9 ^5 _# D# i) H0 v6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
/ q) W/ w( P' G1 l* ]0 a. A. {If you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
5 i6 w7 P2 D0 j3 E. E9 BShe hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
- S- h; l6 z( n5 lThe candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.
' h8 u2 K0 H  P* H$ @, M= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站
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" n0 c3 C/ U) E* L7 W5 i朗文当代英语词典
4 D6 v- r# h2 n9 Z; D7 R; r  Lidentify  
5 u7 m: Q) {" R: `& Z' D% ri·den·ti·fy
$ w7 v+ g. p6 n" L' Z1 J. {  |  KW1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]
" N" H$ [2 h5 F# h2 J9 g& S3 oto recognize and correctly name someone or something
8 t- z* Z  `- q2 o8 p- V  S, U& D. A He was too far away to be able to identify faces.
/ Z- o5 P  J5 A- A' T9 W0 c The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
# V0 d6 H* X+ R1 i8 P6 oidentify sb/sth as sb/sth
+ [; D  e) B  O5 F) J0 w1 D Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.) _8 }. b7 W6 ?6 ?  e. ^6 t" d
 The aircraft were identified as American.
2 |' l  x' X; ~) b2 Pto recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc7 D) N& y* a( p. H3 {/ p. p( t" e
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.
, I/ q/ K' q* h! D0 F" e) V They identified a number of problem areas.
& o( O6 W; L! q. M8 S: ^1 r; aif a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
# o9 |# k: L7 G( {# Midentify sb as sb. O( ^% ~) C* c* v2 _/ S1 d
 His accent identified him as a Frenchman.& e# z6 U4 O* q. _  [- N
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identify with sb/sth
. C  s, p9 H1 uto feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
# \4 U: \. F, m1 T7 i5 d; R" _ Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
$ T$ j' z5 _6 T' \8 n% i3 e6 @* f He identified with our distress and despair.
: s( F1 t+ r# }' p1 _1 E' e identify sb with sth; T1 s- D$ J! |5 _& k. i/ ~! z) K
to think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
- m9 }- q: k4 s0 l4 S+ [4 | She has always been identified with the radical left.7 v1 L7 h+ X4 V( d6 H( j. u4 H$ b
identify sth with sb/sth6 E* s) l; e# J) D  K0 o
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else
/ h* T$ X, S0 V0 a+ D3 x' ]+ O the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems/ b- Q% q8 N- O/ n" j& h
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identify  
0 S9 z% r* \& u2 L5 m  e verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)
! O& H* k3 }0 z7 r& y" ^4 n (also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.8 ~. ?( E5 o/ N$ [3 h
to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.* n9 c2 A3 Q6 ?3 y
[VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.
( h; L8 s( t0 EPhrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.0 F) B+ X' k+ B
identify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
  e1 h3 E8 A# A3 Nidentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else6 r- U$ I! T4 ^+ T' f
Synonym: EQUATE
5 z2 D* R; ?3 _- ^$ YYou should not identify wealth with happiness.
( [0 M7 B0 Q- m1 obe identified with sb/sth+ u! y: @& u8 N5 W" _" c( f( U
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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identify  
5 \' S" M( n% \  d* X5 k7 y9 N/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
/ `( {' y+ D4 E9 Z* E" i [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. ) i1 V! E9 M& n: W, K& H
[Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈. - C% h9 }; [6 P. i6 ~
(phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.
' D7 X( {# D5 ~- M" O> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U]
4 D8 p3 [1 o" i1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间. 0 U2 I; l) }3 S
2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).3 Y, `  n9 R0 p9 K( o
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7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
( _8 @4 D5 P3 W这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文: d9 y4 c, J9 Z) X: z- q6 G7 K
只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。' q- H* E  g* d; z  O0 M
这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变
! |. ^- `5 @$ I0 _举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25( V0 o* C, B( h* v/ y& Y" s$ U4 G0 l
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
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如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
+ Q) O* }7 ~5 L9 I8 T& L其实,台版没大陆版严谨。
% t9 g% l  r1 q1 h就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

) \7 Y% g3 |2 G$ F7 }曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。  L& D( ?6 T# r% }
和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。: D+ C. G4 H6 K- m% ]
台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。" c" e+ G8 a' u
一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml' w: U+ q$ Q: Z8 F
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
# l/ ]9 Q6 l& J1 H* P在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

0 @- n( m& p9 r! R4 a某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”
+ U9 x4 R3 i: V! u- Y( S男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”
9 o3 `; A( j) y8 c2 y女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。; I! _, p5 E# c6 W
婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。
7 t& F+ r7 h- h  A女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”& ?( W  c$ k+ a: }/ [
男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
2 j# E3 b; X( h9 V9 c在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07
) J; x4 @+ D& V) ?1 K在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
: }5 W. F4 G: n, q/ G台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。' Y+ ]0 ]1 s% q& n
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。
  R( A* i4 ^2 Q/ U# M7 g+ f3 _# T% a仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
( u0 T- {" g( p5 G' i* V/ m' X! Z台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。
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台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。" J  {0 {  b7 E& E: R! j5 f, ?2 w, }
昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
7 Y9 N& v' L! h/ |5 n“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。
: C/ [- R3 I& M2 G( d大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

) {, G/ ?9 ~/ x8 o同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
4 K) C" u" ?5 r" v/ D3 `) a/ S但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:* D+ z3 K8 y' D, r& \
1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;- s2 J% p! x% `0 O; `3 g0 b
2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...5 u, @8 O. F: `% ]; _
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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